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Episode 16: American Psycho, It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World and a Couple of Iconic Movie Props

Released July 7, 2021
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Today as theaters begin welcoming more people, we are directing our attention to the art of cinema. Once again, while our bar isn't fancy enough to be found in the lobby of a high-end theater, we can certainly discuss a couple of movies with pivotal scenes that have a designed object at the center of them.

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All right, Todd, I have a question for you as we jump into this, uh, episode. Yes. Okay. Yes. Do you know what a McGuffin is? Uh, yeah. Um, isn't it that, uh, Fake hairpiece that you wear like downstairs. I think that's the, uh, MC Merkin. Okay. I just, I didn't really know why, why you were asking Elliot, because I thought you just heard the introduction of what we're supposed to be talking about.

I was, I, I went, I went to the bathroom while you were talking, so I didn't hear the whole thing. Oh, okay. Okay. Yes. I actually, I do know what a McGuffin is. It's a, it's that thing that propels a plot point forward. True. Yes. I'm glad. I'm glad I had my spit protector over the microphone for that sentence too.

I thought you were gonna say you're thesaurus, which by the way, I, that is also in a pinch, a good spit protector. But back to McGuffin. Yes. Okay. So the reason I was asking is yeah, a McGuffin. Propels the plot forward. You know, it's kind of this thing that the cast is all in pursuit of. Right. It's sort of the kickoff to an adventure.

The Maltese Falcon a Mc McGuffin. Right. You know what? Right, right. Let's very quickly rattle off some famous McGuffin. Okay. The Lost Ark of Raiders of the Lost Art. Right. One ad Willie's treasure from Goonies. Uh, the plans for the Death Star in Star Wars? No, that's a schematic. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Anyway. Three outta four ain't bad. All right. All right. So, uh, so we're kind of talking about designed objects today that are, uh, a big part of a movie. Um, maybe not a true McGuffin, but. Big part of it. Yeah. You know, it's, it's really props or other things like that. They're, they're sort of semi McGuffin.

What, let's, let's call 'em egg MacGuffin. Egg MacGuffin. I love that. That's great. Yeah. You know, the breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Uh, so why not start it with an egg MacGuffin. All right. All right. So you start, so when I was thinking of a movie scene, That has a designed object at the center of it.

You know, I was, I was rolling through a lot of different thoughts here, but one that has come up over the years with several design friends I have is the business card scene in American Psycho, the Christian Bale movie. Do you know this scene? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really the one of the few scenes of that movie that I really remember.

Yeah, I think a lot of people remember it. I mean, it's really funny actually. I say design friends, but uh, there's some non-design friends. I know that that's sort of their introduction to design. And so maybe that says a lot about us and you and I and the profession we've chosen. Yeah, cuz it was, so what I remember about that is, um, I mean, business cards are important to you and me and other designers, but.

Uh, I've never seen it as a, a central part of a movie like that, that actually caused, uh, bad things to happen. Right, right. That's what, yeah, yeah. About it. Normally you think about, let's say a movie set in the Victorian era, people might have a calling card. They would give the calling card, the butler, and so it was a conveyance, it was sort of a transition to have the person enter the scene or exit the scene.

But yeah, it wasn't the, the crux of, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It didn't lead to, Directly to bad things happening. So anyway, so that's, that's the scene I have in my mind. So when I say McGuffin to you and we're talking about the movies and everything, what, what pops into your head? Well, so mine is, you know, probably it is a little bit more of a McGuffin.

But I would say it's a, it's lighter on the designed side. And, um, it's interesting you chose American Psycho Elliot because the movie that I chose is also, uh, centered around greed, but, It takes place years and years and years before American Psycho, and what I'm talking about is a classic movie from 1963 Cobb.

It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world. And I'm talking about the W that they are on the hunt for. Yeah, the treasure. The Big W That was the big on w the dying man's lips, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and that's all they, they knew was a Big W. So, uh, that had very little, uh, um, gave them very little clues to go on.

Yes. So that's great. And, and before we get into, for those of you who don't know, mad Mad, mad, mad World, if you've been listening to other episodes that, uh, Todd and I have been cranking out, you know, that we love Mad Magazine, we love Madcap comedy. Mm-hmm. And, um, as a, as sort of a meta moment, Uh, you know, I think I had mentioned this to you in the past.

Um, the poster for this movie was illustrated by none other than Jack Davis, one of our favorite Matt Magazine, Jack Davis. Yes, yes. Mad Magazine illustrators. So the title ends up being just a little bit meta, I think. Yeah. And you know, I'm sorry, we're kind of going on a little tangent here, but Mad Magazine did a parody of, it's a mad, mad, mad, mad world and called it, uh, it's a World, world World, world World Mad.

So we'll have to find the link to that and post it. Yeah. Which is brilliant.

Okay, let's go back. To the greed and, uh, greed is good eighties and hear about how this scene in American psycho plays out and how a business card is at the center of it, Elliot. Okay. I think we're where you and I tend to coalesce, even though we're a decade apart in age. You and I are both children of the eighties, I think.

Mm-hmm. You and I both have high respect for the decade that that was the eighties. So, let me give a little bit of background here. This movie, American Psycho, for people who haven't seen it, um, it's based on a book by Brett Easton Ellis. Same guy who wrote Less Than Zero, right. You know, another movie that was made into a film.

Um, the book was released in early 1991. But the story is set in the eighties, so it's set mm-hmm. Really at the height of all the Wall Street nonsense, and I mean, wall Street nonsense in the sense of like Wall Street, the institution, but I also mean Wall Street, the movie. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. And this is, this is one of those scenarios where, and I don't think this is coincidental, the book is set in 1987. And that happens to be the same year, the Michael Douglas vehicle, wall Street was released, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Greed is good. Gordon Gecko, you just mentioned that, so Yeah. Yeah. Again, like very self-referential.

Very, very meta. Okay. So the movie itself, based on this book came out in, I think was 2000. And it's a dark comedy slasher flick based on this book. So it's kind of like Heather's, you know, another eighties movie. Oh, what a great movie. Yeah, yeah. Christian Slater. Winona Rider. So it's sort of like Heather's meets Wall Street.

Right. You know, those, those two movies smashed into one another. So Christian Bale is the lead. Plays the central character of this guy named Patrick Bateman. Mm-hmm. So he works for a company called Pearson Pierce, which is an m and a firm, a mergers and acquisitions firm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So with this scene, So you've got all these yuppy, douche bag investment bankers.

They're all in a conference room together, right? They're getting ready to, you know, who knows, who knows why they're in there, right? They're just like showing off basically. They're getting ready to go to lunch, whatever. And they're, they're talking about their plans for the night and among other things, they're trying to one up one another with their car.

Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. So they're all busting out these business cards from the business card holders they have in their breast pockets and, and whatever. Right. You know, they can't have your cards get wrinkled, they random cards. Right, right, right. I mean, gee whiz, you need a Prada, you need a card, you need a prod card holders what you need.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know where you can find them for another time. Yes. Okay, so these guys, again, these are investment bankers, right? These are not designers, right? These are not printers. You know, they have no, unless they've like, aren't they sort of obsessing over the card? The. Paperweight and the fonts and stuff like that.

So this is, this is like, this is very, they see their cards very much as an extension of themselves. Right, right, right. So they're pe, they're peacocking, you know, they have their Valentino suits. They have their haircuts, they have their this, they're that. So they're talking about, How they get, uh, reservations at the best restaurants in Manhattan and all this sort of stuff, right?

So while they're doing this, they're, they're producing these business cards. So yeah, they start putting their cards out and comparing 'em to one another. I think there's probably some sort of phallic undercurrent here we can make about organ size, right? And masculinity and so forth. They're discussing paper weights, colors.

Thickness is, um, Bateman. When he produces his card, he thinks he's hot. Shit, cuz his card is letter press printed. Right, right, right. You know, boom. You know, take that. And then there's typefaces, right? They're talking about these, these typefaces and, and it's great because the typefaces are actually made up.

You know, they're, they're not actual real typefaces. The the typefaces are real, like on the cards. They're real, obviously, right. But, but the names are, but they talk about Yeah, but they talk about like silly and rail and Romanian. I just remember watching this. Yeah. I just remember watching this and thinking like, what, like, Either there is like this whole swath of typography I'm completely ignorant of, or like the person who wrote this had no clue what was going on.

It was just, let me ask you a question, Elliot. Do you think that more people went to a printer asking for their cards to be printed in Romanian or more people? Went to a bar in Georgetown looking for St. Elmo's Fire

y. Well, you know what I'm gonna say it's the latter, and I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you why. Okay? Like, I can actually qualify this, this statement. So the business cards are, are status symbols and all this stuff, but what's great, and I can only assume that there is a prop person somewhere with a huge smile on their face, is that.

The cards in a lot of ways were true extensions of each of these characters presenting Uhhuh, Uhhuh, because first of all, none of the cards matched one another, right? If these guys were all like working for the same place, you would think there'd be like a keeper of. The look and feel, you know, the identity police that you and I are both very familiar with.

Right, right, right. Uh, yeah. Apparently the police didn't get the memo and if they did get the memo, it was designed five different ways by five different people. Because I mean, these cards are all over the place, right? Shan Sanson, I mean, it's bonkers, right? So none of the cards match, even though these guys all work for the same firm.

And obviously, you know, as the scene goes on, it's because. They all think their card's the best, right? Right. Like, well, why should I match you? You should be matching me. You know, I'm right. I'm, I'm the, the A player, right? I'm the lead dog here. So Bateman, you know, slides his card out with confidence. He's kind of the one that tips the first domino that sets all of this in motion, right?

Mm-hmm. And going back to reference what you said earlier, there's this guy in the very beginning of this scene that he has zero respect for. Okay. Mm-hmm. But this guy had given his card to, um, Justin Thoreau's character who plays the, the head of the firm and Thoreau's character had like just tucked it inside his breast pocket of his jacket, you know?

Mm-hmm. Cause it was, had nothing to do with, you know, the conversation hadn't started yet. So, goes around the table, everybody presents their card, and Kristen Bale's feeling pretty good, right. You know, Bateman character, he's feeling pretty good because his card is still. He thinks it's still better than everyone else's.

Right, right. Just came from the printer Letter. Press Life's. Life's pretty good. Paid a lot for it, I'm sure. And Oh yeah, un undoubtedly. Undoubtedly. So then over the course of this scene, what's great is the conversation comes up. And he says, well, hey, what about so-and-so's card? You know, what about the guy who he had zero respect for?

Who left? Mm-hmm. And they, everybody kind of looks at each other. They're like, I don't know. So this guy isn't even in the room anymore. Mm-hmm. So they, they dig in, you know, Justin throws character digs into his, his pocket. Pulls out the original card that he received and it is better than any of the other cards.

Right. So, so it's just great because this guy, everybody thinks this cat is a goof. Right? Right. Everybody is kind of like shining him, you know, whatever. So he rolls out, you know, has this card and then. This cripples Christian bales. Yeah, Uhhuh character. I mean, cripples him like he, you know, his fingers start trembling.

He drops the card and he starts to have flop sweat. You know, other people are asking him if he's okay. So basically, long story short, later that day he ends up in a later scene. He's so. Pissed off that his card is not the best card Uhhuh, that this other guy unknowingly won up them uhhuh that, you know, I mean, Todd, what do you do in a situation like this?

I don't know about you, but I think the natural response. You go out and you kill a homeless man and his dog. That's why, why not? What else are you gonna do? Yeah, I mean, G Whiz makes sense to me. That's right. So, you know, obviously that speaks to the American Psycho, that's right. Title a little. Mm-hmm. And obviously it's a dark sort of comedy.

I have some more fact, but I don't want to dominate the conversation. I want to hear more about the Big W.

Speaking of movies, I don't want to have to make a scene here in the bar just to get a refill. Come on, Elliot, let's not make this one more place. We're getting kicked out of together folks. We need to get this under control. So let's take a quick break. Go ahead and refresh your own drinks and we'll see you back here in the bar in just a minute.

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Let's see if we can connect these seemingly disparate, uh, movies and, uh, designed objects, uh, as centerpieces of movies. So, Uh, a as I said, the, the movie that I first thought of is from 1963, and it had been years and years and years and years since I had seen it. So I went back and re-watched it recently and.

It is. You used the term Madcap comedy earlier. It is the maddest of caps. It, it is truly like a, a, it's exhausting. Live action Mad magazine. Oh yeah. There is so much going on. It's amazing. It is exhausting. But the thing, uh, so a little bit about the movie, um, for people who haven't seen it and uh, again, came out in 1963 and it is essentially a road race.

Um, but it's, uh, what happens, uh, and I'm not giving anything away because this happens in the, the first two minutes of the movie, um, a car goes over a cliff, uh, in mountainous region of Southern California and people who were driving along, uh, that this car had passed, they witnessed this, uh, they all stopped to pull over to see what happened to the guy.

Hi. So they, uh, they go down into the valley where the car went over and the guy is laying there. He's still alive, but just barely. And, uh, this is where you know that it's gonna be, uh, mad cap because he tells them that he wants them to search for this money that is rightfully his, and it's $350,000 and.

Uh, that today would've been 2.8 million. So, you know, a decent chunk of change. And he keeps saying that it's supposedly it's buried under a Big W. Now the guy who is dying, who had. Uh, essentially stolen this money and hidden it and then gone to prison, and now he's outta prison. And then crashes is Jimmy de Duranti, the famous entertainer.

And it just sets up that there will be cameos by everybody in this movie. So think about these, uh, five very different types of people, these eccentric characters that just meet out of nowhere on a road. And are all told at the same time that they should find a way to get this money and split it essentially.

Long story short, they argue and they can't. Um, so. One common thing that I've seen already about both of our subjects, my movie is also about greed. It was produced and directed by Stanley Kramer, who was so, who was known to take on kind of, um, social, um, Uh, societal, um, challenges and, and social messages.

He also did the defiant ones. And guess who's coming to dinner? And Kane Mutiny. Um, so all, all Madcap comedies themselves. All Madcap comedies. Yeah, that's what was so odd about, um, it's a mad, mad, mad world is that, you know, this one is not like the others. And as I said, what makes this is this all star ensemble of.

That era's most prominent comedians. So I'm telling you like we could not assemble this level of talent in a movie today. Let me read off just a few of the folks, and some of the folks don't even have lines. They just show up for a brief scene. So Spencer Tracy is the lead. Um, Ethel Merman, buddy Hackett.

Sid Caesar, Milton Burrow. Mickey Rooney. Dick Sean, Phil Silvers. Jonathan Winters in his very first film. Uh, Edie Adams, Jimmy De Duranti, I mentioned, and then some uncredited performances too by, from Cleveland. He grew up in Cleveland. Oh, oh, wow. Love her. Love her. Andy Devise, Peter Faulk, Norman Phil. Mr.

Three's company's fame. Yeah. Right? Yep, yep. Buster Keaton, Don Knox, the other landlord for three's company, Jack Benny, Jerry Lewis, and the Three Stooges. I mean, it had literally this movie had everybody in it. So, um, what happens is they all take off on this road race for this giant, uh, quest to find the Big W along the way.

All these problems happen. Uh, they get sidetracked, they get held back. They have all these misadventures, uh, they try to outsmart each other. Tricky. It's cannonball run before the cannonball run was a thing. That's right. It was the inspiration for Cannonball Run. What happens is, um, they are actually seeking this fictitious state park down near the Mexico border.

Again, this was in Southern California. It's called Santa Rosata State Park, um, which is actually the, they shot it in a place called Portuguese Bend in Rancho Palos Verti, California. And the, uh, park was landscaped specifically for this movie, which is important to the plot of the, of the Big W, right? Oh, yeah.

Um, so once they get there to this park, what they had discussed is a Big W It's, it's a water tower, it's a windmill. It's all things that start with w. But new, it's a little bit more in your face than that, and so much that it's hiding in plain sight. And I'll leave it at that. It's a landmark though. It is.

It's definitely a landmark. It is. It is. Definitely. Once you see it, you see it. And by the way, we, the movie viewers see it before the other people recognize what it is and, and we'll, we'll have a clip for this on our Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Page. Yeah. So people, people are, who are curious about it. And yeah. So rest up when you watch the trailer, because again, it's ex, it's exhausting to watch, it's azel.

It's uh, 30 pounds of poo crammed into a 20 pound bag for sure. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But I wanted to share this with you. There's a couple funny bits, um, and I think we should probably play some of the critics. Comments as well. The critics love this movie Elliot, and one that I thought you would particularly love.

This is a direct quote from New York World Telegram and Son, they said, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it really seriously. So it sounds official. A wham Doodle Humdinger said Stem Winder New York, stem Winder.

Oh man. Oh man. I think the next time someone asks me what I think of the design project they're working on, I'm just gonna say it's a real stem winder and just leave it at that. It's a wham doodle humdinger, a wham doodle humdinger. Um, and, and interestingly enough, this movie is. So cram full of action that each actor was given two scripts, one for the dialogue and one for the action.

And uh, I found this interesting tidbit that as you know, if you've seen it recently, like I just did, it's so true at the time this movie was made, which I think it was made in late 1962, um, cuz it came out in 63, there were only about a hundred stunt performers. In the country. 80 of them worked on this film, so 80% of all stunt performers were in this movie at the same time.

That's awesome. That's why there are a lot of dramas, I guess during the released. Yeah, exactly. Early 1963. Yeah, that's uh, funny. So interestingly enough, um, as I said, the search for a big W and I kept for the life of me trying to figure out why a w you know what? What did that mean? Um, because it turns out it didn't mean water tower or windmill and it had nothing, uh, to connect to the story, uh, other than just a Big W.

So, uh, if anyone knows, if anyone has a theory on that, please let us know, but I couldn't think of anything that would connect it to a w but. It's, uh, definitely an entertaining movie. Definitely worth the watch. And, uh, you know, rest up is all I'll say when you watch it, you know. Now, Todd, given the, the cast of characters, um, I'm sort of disappointed.

There's, there's one thing that you neglected to point out. What did I miss? That Ethel Merman is in our favorite comedy of all time. In another cameo. Oh, that's right. Oh, see, it's just a golden thread, isn't it, Elliot? It just, it really is. Comes all together. Well, you know, that's another thing about our favorite movie of all time, is it has the similar, uh, cameo factor of, uh, oh, a hundred percent famous people.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah, you start to look at, yeah, whether it's Airplane or Cannonball Run or any of these other movies, they're all, this is sort of like the, um, I don't know, like the, the ro, the famous Bing Crosby, Bob Hope Road picture. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But with like a hundred other people in it too, you know, it's like everybody's road picture.

It's like if they made Oceans 11, you know, today, but made, made it with Oceans 59 or something. She's 59. Yeah, I was gonna say with five times as many famous people. Yeah. It looks like they just had a blast. They hung out. And, you know, this is really kind of funny too because, um, the, do you know the budget?

I looked up the budget and, uh, the budget for that film in 63, it was 9.4 million, which I thought was pretty high for that time. Yeah, absolutely. But you gotta, I guess, you know, baby had to get paid. Yeah. Well if you think that 350 K translates into close to 3 million today, Yeah. You know, you can really start to do the math and figure out what that is.

Yeah. You know, it's like, it's like a, it's a $30 million film or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, so that was great and something I didn't even mention, but, uh, our, our friends SA Bass did the opening credits for this movie Yes. As well. Well, we'll post that, uh, on episode page two because I think that's, that was awesome.

Yeah. And here's another little tidbit that, uh, uh, you Elliot and all of, uh, the other trivia lovers out there can use when they play. A guy that was assisting Saul Bass with this animation was a guy named, uh, bill Melendez, who went on to do all of the Charlie Brown, uh, peanuts animation series. So that was one of his early bits.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's right. That's right. I love that. I mean, it's, it's, it's always amazing how we're all sort of standing on the shoulders of giants. You know what I mean? I mean, pop culture, pop culture always, always pays dividends down the road. I think.

So back to American Psycho. Yes. Speaking of dividends. Yes. Yes, yes. Okay, so let's, let's, let's cash our chips in here. Um, how many, how many awful, uh, financial puns can we come up with? Um, okay. So business cards of status, symbols, you know, and the business cards represented each of the characters we were talking about that.

Okay. So I wanna circle back around because there is a, another rogue card that appears later in the movie. Okay. Uhhuh. All right. So there's a character that, um, Christian Bale's character approaches this guy in the bathroom and you know, with the intent on killing him, but the guy, as it turns out, has the hots for Christian Bale.

And so Christian Bale, you know, ends up, ends up not killing him. So when you, when you see this character's card, his card appears later in the movie. Mm-hmm. But it's, it's printed with green ink and gold foil. It has this very fluoride flamboyant typeface compared to the others. Mm-hmm. So again, the thinking is, I think in a, in a veiled way.

It's kind of this, this nod to him, you know, being. Gay, um, being flamboyant. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or, or you know, it's like he, he will reveal that. Right, right. It's kind of like revealing the business card. So, you know, that kind of like bolsters this idea of everyone being represented by their card. Right?

Right. So I thought that was like a very clever, like prop device. Right. But this is one thing that's even, I don't even know if this is on purpose or by accident. So, you know, as I mentioned earlier, um, These guys work for Pearson. Pearson. It's a mergers and acquisitions firm. So like a, there's a uhhuh, there's like a word mark that's their logo, or it's like derivations of this one quote unquote logo.

Cuz again, everyone interprets it differently on their cards. But, um, acquisitions is actually misspelled on every one of these cards. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. It misses the c like it's, it's spelled A Q U I S I uhhuh, so it's hilarious. That out of all these jokers, you know, no one can even correctly spell the profession that they're in.

So all of all of them are damaged in some way. Each of their personalities has a Yeah, a damaged bit. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it's, it's really great Bateman's card. Like if you actually go back and, and look at this, so this is, you know, Christian Bale's card that he's so proud of. Right. There's also another typo, so.

There's actually, um, a space missing between the, the company is Pierce Ampersand. Pierce Uhhuh, and on his card there's a space missing between the ampersand and the second pierce. So like, not only is there a, a misspelling in the business name, but then they didn't even get the spacing right. Like, it's really great.

Yeah. So the, the, and so the thinking is there, there's like a great theory online about this, that. The card is actually brilliant in that it presents on its surface as being very clean and very like upstanding. Mm-hmm. Kind of like the character. Mm-hmm. But the longer, and it's also like the trim on it is off.

So like the margins, like everything is quote unquote off center. Mm-hmm. So the more you look at this card, the more you're like, man, this. This stuff just really doesn't add up. Something's not right. Yeah. Like there's all these little details that start to manifest themselves. Yeah. Yeah. And so again, that's a nod to, this guy presents himself very well at first, but the more you live with him, the more you're like, uh, there's like a lot of little weird things that are happening here.

So it, it was like, it's about the, the flash of the first impression, but when it gets to the substance of. Of, um, of quality or something like that. Uh, it's, it's just not there. Yeah. It falls apart, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I wanna also return to something else that I mentioned earlier, which is, remember how you asked, I wonder what, what, you know, if people are going to look for CMOs fire, if they're ordering this card, it's cetera.

Right, right, right. Okay. Okay. So in doing research for this, there's actually. A, a printer online called Hoen Cards, Uhhuh, and they actually have, they cleaned it up a little bit, like they got rid of the, the typos and whatnot, Uhhuh, but if you want. If you really want, they're a letter press print shop. You can get your own American psycho business cards with your own information on that.

Oh man. That would be so awesome to give to people and see if anyone notices it. Yeah. Picks up on it. But li literally, the reason why they did it is after this movie came out, Random people were coming to them and saying, I want the card from that movie. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. No kidding. So like, this wasn't something they did as, as a goof.

They did it in response to market demand, apparently. Oh my gosh. Well, you know what? I just thought of another similarity between our, our two movies. Um, while they are not. Uh, that, you know, one is a, a dark comedy and one is very much a very light, colorful comedy. Yes. Um, and both are about greed, as we said, um, as, uh, mad World goes on and on and on.

Um, the group of people, um, Starts growing. So they have to share the wealth if they find this. But their vehicles, uh, and their clothing, their, their demeanor is deteriorating as it's going along because they keep getting in all these jams and cars are falling apart and, you know, being crashed. So by the time they get to.

The, the place with the Big W, they have all had to pretty much get in taxi cabs and drive because all of their modes of transportation, they've done everything bicycles and, you know, um, stolen cars and everything, but they've all deteriorated. So they all start off really proper and, you know, respectful of each other.

And then by the time they get there, they're like ready to kill each other. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean it's, it's, it's sort of this, this base level behavior, right? Yeah, yeah. Or, or yeah. The, uh, the facade gets, gets pulled away and it's, this is what's left. Yeah. I guess greed does, uh, you know, make people act strangely and, um, not really look at their proofs on their business cards.

Right. And Todd, I would say you and I are are greedy as well, but only to the degree that we appreciate it when other people buy us drinks. Exactly. And you know what, I'm kind of in the mood for that right now. Let's say you I would love that. So yeah, if you wanna buy me a drink, I'm, I'm game. All right, so let's, uh, let's head over to the bar.

Until next time. Alright man. See ya.

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